{"id":10,"date":"2011-02-06T21:18:40","date_gmt":"2011-02-06T21:18:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/?page_id=10"},"modified":"2012-02-09T17:25:00","modified_gmt":"2012-02-09T22:25:00","slug":"why-are-infiniti-g35-coupe-tires-so-loud","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/automotive\/2003-infiniti-g35-coupe\/why-are-infiniti-g35-coupe-tires-so-loud\/","title":{"rendered":"Why are Infiniti G35 Coupe Tires so Loud?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I remember the day I went to my local Infiniti dealer to<br \/>\ntest drive the brand new 2003 G35 Coupe. The dealer&#8217;s demo<br \/>\ncar was a bright-red 6-speed manual coupe with the Brembo brakes.<br \/>\nThe salesman was a young guy, probably in his mid-twenties, and he came along for the ride.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I was having a great time driving the demo car and I even managed<br \/>\nto activate the traction control a couple of times, so when the<br \/>\nsalesman asked me to pull over I figured that he wasn&#8217;t happy with<br \/>\nhow hard I&#8217;d been pushing the car and that he wanted to nurse it back<br \/>\nto dealership. Instead, he drove us to a quiet industrial zone<br \/>\n(it was a Saturday) and proceeded to do a couple of donuts in a parking lot.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We were approaching a 3-way T-intersection when he decided to floor it.<br \/>\nI assumed that I was about to get a demonstration of the stopping power<br \/>\nof the Brembo brakes. As we accelerated towards the stop sign, we passed<br \/>\nthe point that I would have needed to start braking in my current<br \/>\nautomobile (a lowly base-model VW Golf), but the salesmen didn&#8217;t let up.<br \/>\nAnother second or two passed before I began to panic; I figured that<br \/>\nwe were going to blow past the stop sign and smash through the front<br \/>\nwindow of the store on the far side of the intersection.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Just after I had tightened my seat belt, the salesman slammed on the brakes.<br \/>\nThe tires gripped so hard that my butt lifted off the seat and all my weight<br \/>\nwas suspended in my seatbelt. We came to a rest at least 10 feet before the stop sign.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It didn&#8217;t matter how much they cost, I just had to have those brakes!\u00a0<\/p>\n<h2>Be Careful What You Wish For&#8230; You Just Might Get It<\/h2>\n<p>Many people (myself included) have mused that they want<br \/>\na &#8220;race car&#8221;, but that&#8217;s not what they <em>really<\/em> want.<br \/>\nReal race cars are cramped, noisy, and hot. A real race car doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\nhave any sound proofing, or any rubber in the suspension, or air conditioning.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m sure that when Infiniti designed the G35 Coupe, they made decisions to<br \/>\ncater to dreamers like me who thought that they wanted a race car, at least on paper.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To get the Brembo brakes you needed to order the G35 Coupe with the Sport Package<br \/>\nthat included, among other things, upgraded 18&#8243; rims. On the 18&#8243; rims<br \/>\nwere mounted Michelin Pilot Sport tires with a sidewall aspect ratio of 45.<br \/>\nThe aspect ratio is so low that on many occasions other people have tried to<br \/>\nwarn me that &#8220;your tires are flat&#8221;. The Michelin Pilot Sport is a pure<br \/>\nsummer-only tire, and is close to being rated an R-compound racing tire.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"explanation\"><\/a><br \/>\nIf you drive behind a G35 Coupe in traffic, it&#8217;s easy to see that the<br \/>\ntires &#8211; particularly the rear tires &#8211; do not sit flat on the ground.<br \/>\nThey have a small camber angle to them, resulting in a duck-like stance.<br \/>\nWhen the car goes around a corner, it rolls to the outside of the turn.<br \/>\nIncorporating a few degrees of camber in the suspension design allows the<br \/>\ntire to sit flat in the middle of a corner, giving it better cornering grip.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/Infiniti_G35_Coupe_Camber_on_rear_tires_small.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-23\" title=\"The suspension of the G35C has a considerable amount of camber\" src=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/Infiniti_G35_Coupe_Camber_on_rear_tires_small.jpg\" alt=\"The suspension of the G35C has a considerable amount of camber\" width=\"600\" height=\"453\" \/><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The problem, of course, is that 99% of my driving takes place on the highway,<br \/>\nwhere I&#8217;m travelling in a straight line. This causes the tires to wear unevenly.<br \/>\nSince the inside portion of the tread is taking more of the weight of the car,<br \/>\nit tends to wear much faster than the outside portion.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Below is a photo of a Michelin Pilot Sport tire that I removed from the front wheel of my<br \/>\ncar after only 40,000 km (about 25,000 miles). You can clearly see that the inside<br \/>\ntread is more worn than the outside.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/inside_tread_wears_faster_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_mounted_on_Infiniti_35_Coupe_small.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-17\" title=\"Clearly, the inside tread of the Michelin Sport tire mounted on a G35 Coupe wears faster than the outside of the tread\" src=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/inside_tread_wears_faster_Michelin_Pilot_Sport_mounted_on_Infiniti_35_Coupe_small.jpg\" alt=\"Clearly, the inside tread of the Michelin Sport tire mounted on a G35 Coupe wears faster than the outside of the tread\" width=\"350\" height=\"554\" \/><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Below is another view of the same tire. You can see that the far edge of the tire<br \/>\nis no longer a nice smooth circular space. Instead it looks like a bunch of straight<br \/>\nedges connected to form a circular-ish shape. Perhaps it has become<br \/>\na &#8220;tricontagon&#8221; (a 30 sided shape).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/Michelin_Pilot_Sport_uneven_wear_on_Infiniti_G35_Coupe_small.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-18\" title=\"Clearly, the inside tread of a Michelin Sport tire mounted on a G35 Coupe wears faster than the outside of the tread\" src=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/Michelin_Pilot_Sport_uneven_wear_on_Infiniti_G35_Coupe_small.jpg\" alt=\"Clearly, the inside tread of a Michelin Sport tire mounted on a G35 Coupe wears faster than the outside of the tread\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" \/><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The first symptom of this uneven wear is NOISE. I mean LOTS OF NOISE. As I drive there<br \/>\nare certain resonant speeds (40 km, 100 km) where the worn tires emit an<br \/>\nannoying &#8220;VaVaVaVaVaVa&#8221; noise. Sometimes the noise is so strong that I<br \/>\nthink that my cell phone is vibrating in my pocket and I attempt to answer the call!\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Herculean braking and corning ability are quickly forgotten when you&#8217;re behind<br \/>\nthe wheel of a car that is so loud that you can&#8217;t even think. Now imagine driving<br \/>\nfor hundreds of hours of year in these conditions.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Exacerbating the problem is the fact that the front tires are a different size<br \/>\nthan the rear, and Michelin Pilots are uni-directional tires; written on the sidewall<br \/>\nof the tire is an arrow pointing in the correct direction of rotation. This makes<br \/>\nit impossible to perform a standard tire rotation where you swap the rims from<br \/>\nfront-to-rear and from side-to-side.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It is possible to dismount the tires from the rims and then re-mount the rubber<br \/>\non the opposite side of the car, but obviously this requires special training and<br \/>\ntools and is more expensive than a standard rotation which an amateur mechanic<br \/>\ncan perform in his own driveway.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A slightly over-inflated tire is much safer than a slightly under-inflated tire.<br \/>\nI used to keep the Michelin Sports inflated between 35 and 40 PSI, which actually<br \/>\nallowed me to achieve just under 30 MPG. However, the inner part of the tire<br \/>\nwould wear quickly.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It might be my imagination, but after lowering the tire pressure to between 31<br \/>\nand 33 PSI I believe that the rate of uneven wear decreased. An additional benefit<br \/>\nwas a softer, more comfortable ride. Be advised that driving on an under-inflated<br \/>\ntire is dangerous if you intend to drive at high speeds, or with a lot of weight<br \/>\nin the car, or on a rainy day.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The cruel irony is that, if I didn&#8217;t baby the car and drove more aggressively<br \/>\naround corners, the tires would wear more evenly and might even last longer.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The end result is that, at 116,000 km of use, I&#8217;m already on my third set of<br \/>\nrear tires and I&#8217;m about to put new tires on the front of the car.<br \/>\nTo put this in perspective, on my last two vehicles I managed to get well<br \/>\nover 100,000 km out of the first set of tires.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"snow_tires\"><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h1>Snow Tires on a G35C<\/h1>\n<p>The Michelin Pilot Sports are pure summer-only tires and are not to be driven<br \/>\nin the snow. The first year I had the car, I was at work one autumn day when<br \/>\nabout 2 centimeters of snow fell. On my ride home the highway was clear, but<br \/>\nwhen I turned onto my side street there was still a thin sprinkling of snow.<br \/>\nI needed to drive up a small hill to get home, but it was hopeless. I couldn&#8217;t<br \/>\nget the car moving in first gear, even with the traction control turned off.<br \/>\nI left the car on the side of the road and walked the rest of the way home.<br \/>\nBy the next day the weather had returned to above freezing temperatures<br \/>\nand everything was fine.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Normally, when you purchase snow tires and new rims, you&#8217;ll go down one rim size.<br \/>\nUnfortunately, except for a few lightweight racing spec models, nobody<br \/>\nmakes a 17&#8243; rim for the G35 Coupe that will provide sufficient clearance<br \/>\nfor the massive Brembo brake calipers. (Note: I have since<br \/>\nfound an <a href=\"#17_inch_rims_that_clear_brembo_brakes\">affordable 17&#8243; rim that will clear the Brembo brakes<\/a>)\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>That same first winter I had the car I inquired how much it would cost to<br \/>\nget 18&#8243; rims and proper snow tires. I don&#8217;t remember the exact price I was quoted,<br \/>\nbut I do remember being shocked that it was going to be many thousands of dollars.<br \/>\nIt was literally cheaper for me to purchase a winter beater car and park the Infiniti<br \/>\nin the garage.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>After 4 years the engine in the winter car spun a bearing, but I decided that<br \/>\nit would be fun to fix it myself. Not just fix it, but improve it&#8230; with ported<br \/>\nand polished intake ports, a mild camshaft upgrade, lightweight underdrive<br \/>\npulleys, and a limited slip differential.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>You can guess what happened next. I didn&#8217;t mange to finish everything<br \/>\nbefore the snow started falling, and now I&#8217;m forced to drive the<br \/>\nInfiniti for at least one winter.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This year (2008) the province of Quebec passed a law making it mandatory<br \/>\nfor drivers to mount winter tires on their car. This, predictably, resulted<br \/>\nin a shortage of winter tires for the rest of the Canada.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>After the first snowfall, I visited my local tire shop and found a line-up<br \/>\nof people trying to get winter tires. An exasperated salesman was trying<br \/>\nto explain to some of the customers that he couldn&#8217;t get them the exact<br \/>\nmodel tire they needed at any cost, regardless of how long they were<br \/>\nwilling to wait.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Once it was my turn I explained that I would be willing to take all season tires<br \/>\ninstead of pure winter tires, and that I was looking for something that would<br \/>\nbe soft, quiet, and comfortable. With little thought he recommended the<br \/>\nMichelin Pilot HX MXM4 tires, which was funny because I had just done some<br \/>\nquick online research and I had been looking at the exact same tires.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The HX MXM4 tires are marketed as All-Season Grand Touring tires, which I&#8217;m sure<br \/>\nis a fancy way of saying that they&#8217;re soft and quiet, despite having a short<br \/>\n45-series sidewall.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>They are expensive.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The rear tires on the G35C are 20mm wider than the front tires. You&#8217;d think this<br \/>\nwouldn&#8217;t make a big difference in the price, but you&#8217;d be wrong. The rear tires<br \/>\ncost $100 more than the fronts. In fact, in the salesman&#8217;s manual, the<br \/>\nP245\/45R18 was listed as an &#8220;Infiniti tire&#8221;, so I have to<br \/>\nassume that this is a special low-volume application.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Below is a photo I took of the new HX MXM4 tires just after I had mounted the<br \/>\nrims on the car. I&#8217;m hoping that these will be much quieter than the Pilot<br \/>\nSports they replace. I&#8217;ll give you a full report soon.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/G35_coupe_Michelin_Pilot_HX_MXM4_tires_for_winter_small.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-21\" title=\"Infiniti G35 Coupe with Michelin quiet, smooth HX MXM4 tires\" src=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/G35_coupe_Michelin_Pilot_HX_MXM4_tires_for_winter_small.jpg\" alt=\"Infiniti G35 Coupe with Michelin quiet, smooth HX MXM4 tires\" width=\"600\" height=\"254\" \/><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>How are the stock rims so clean despite over 116,000 km of use? Manual labour,<br \/>\nmy friends: Lots of cleaning and scrubbing and applying wax. I probably spent<br \/>\n6 or 7 hours total to make them look like this. I should mention that the<br \/>\nprimary reason I wax the rims is to prevent the brake dust from sticking to<br \/>\nthem, and not to look like a playa&#8217;.\u00a0<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h1>June 2010 Update<\/h1>\n<p>I now have 40,000 km (25,000 miles) of use on the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 tires.<br \/>\nI haven&#8217;t rotated them yet, but they<br \/>\nare still smooth and quiet with no visible feathering.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Do they have as much peak cornering and braking grip as the OEM Michelin Pilot Sport tires? No.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Are they fantastic snow and ice tires? No.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But for my needs &#8211; commuting to work year round on highways that are cleared of snow &#8211; they are<br \/>\nclearly superior to the original Michelin Pilot Sports. The Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 tires<br \/>\nfit my &#8220;mission profile&#8221; perfectly.\u00a0<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><a name=\"17_inch_rims_that_clear_brembo_brakes\"><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<h1>17&#8243; Rims That Clear Brembo Brakes<\/h1>\n<p>I was out at lunch one day with some co-workers when I noticed that there was a G35 Coupe parked<br \/>\non King street that had Brembo brakes <em>and<\/em> 17&#8243; rims with snow tires (this was<br \/>\nthe middle of the summer, so I&#8217;m not sure why the owner was driving around with snow tires!).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A friend snapped the photo below with his iPhone.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/G35_17_inch_rims_that_fit_with_Brembo_Brakes.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-19\" title=\"G35 17 inch rims that fit with Brembo Brakes\" src=\"http:\/\/images.karjama.com\/automotive\/G35_17_inch_rims_that_fit_with_Brembo_Brakes.jpg\" alt=\"G35 17 inch rims that fit with Brembo Brakes\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" \/><\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>After some investigation, I discovered that these are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bsawheels.com.au\/index.php\/wheel-range\/bsa\/bsa-264.html\" target=\"_blank\">BSA 264 17&#8243; rims<\/a>, which were reportedly sold at many Canadian Infiniti dealers.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I remember the day I went to my local Infiniti dealer to test drive the brand new 2003 G35 Coupe. The dealer&#8217;s demo car was a bright-red 6-speed manual coupe with the Brembo brakes. The salesman was a young guy, &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/automotive\/2003-infiniti-g35-coupe\/why-are-infiniti-g35-coupe-tires-so-loud\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":6,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","template":"fullwidth-page.php","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-10","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/10","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/10\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12,"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/10\/revisions\/12"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/6"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/karjama.com\/brad\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}